Brief thoughts on Lucifer

Dtcwee asked a question about Lucifer in light of the previous post.

Could we then say that Lucifer is imagining his own responsibility for his fall?

I’m hesitant to speculate too much about angels.

In the tradition, Lucifer’s sin is pride. That would imply he went wrong in desiring to be somehow equal to God or independent of God. This pride is believed to have been motivated by Lucifer’s own greatness, since he was the highest of angels.

If I’m right about original sin, then we could argue that human pride is different because it is motivated by suffering and separateness, a condition we inherit from our parents.

This difference in the motive of pride is what makes me hesitate in case I’m missing something important.

That aside, the devil is just another creature, and the conditions of his existence are essentially the same as ours. I very tentatively suggest that his “responsibility” began through contemplating his own greatness in the created order. As I mentioned in a previous post where I quoted John Cassian:

he believed that he had acquired the splendour of that wisdom and the beauty of those powers, with which he was graced by the gift of the Creator, by the might of his own nature, and not by the beneficence of His generosity. And on this account he was puffed up as if he stood in no need of divine assistance in order to continue in this state of purity

This is the point where tradition tells us the highest creature in existence succumbed to pride. A self-consciousness of his own greatness was the cause of Lucifer’s false sense of “responsibility”, which initiated his subsequent fall.

Cassian concludes:

On account of which being forsaken by God, whom he fancied he no longer needed, he suddenly became unstable and tottering, and discovered the weakness of his own nature, and lost the blessedness which he had enjoyed by God’s gift.

So the only reason I would demur from accepting dtcwee’s suggestion is that Lucifer exhibited a kind of “positive” responsibility. He was so great, he identified with his greatness and in that moment embraced a false self-sufficiency. Responsibility is the corollary of that.

My only other caveat is that the word “imagined” should be taken as an analogy. The sense of responsibility may be false, but in calling it “imaginary” we shouldn’t underestimate the impact this false idea has had on our existence.

Furthermore, our normal use of “imaginary” implies that we are under a misapprehension. The conclusion I am working toward is that we are a part of that misapprehension as well. Responsibility is not just something you are imagining, it is something that underpins our sense of self.

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3 thoughts on “Brief thoughts on Lucifer

  1. LUCIFER IN CONNECTION AS THE LEADER OF THE PACK
    WHERE THE bible says 1/3 of angels are fallen angels..

    the way I look at it
    in terms of past present future
    it is our past choice of disobedience to our true creator
    that is the fallen third
    thru the present we can be convicted of our past sin and repent
    thus bringing a purging of the past and a bright and eternal future

    the past, the present , and the future
    walked into a bar
    IT WAS VERY TENSE 🙂

    • I think some people have held this belief in the past.
      From my limited reading on the subject, I think Origen believed we are born into the material world in order to learn and recover from the fall.
      But I don’t know that he necessarily thought we were therefore fallen angels.

      Sometimes things like this emerge as personal metaphors. “Private revelation” in orthodox Christianity. They might be helpful insights, but not for everyone.

  2. OH SO angels
    as messengers generated by the imaginative forces of the conscious mind…
    said images
    are then stored in the soul or heart or subconscious mind
    which be the likeness aspect in
    genesis chapter 1
    Jubilee Bible 2000
    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the beasts and over all the earth and over every serpent that moves upon the earth.

    GOD HERE IS ELOHIM NOT ELOHIM YAHWEH THAT BEGINS IN CHAPTER 2
    AND THE MAN OR ADAM MADE HERE WERE LESS THAN THE MAN OR ADAM IN THE NEXT VERSE
    WHO WERE CREATED

    THE ADAM OF CHAPTER 2 WAS FORMED BY YAHWEHY ELOHIM
    WHO WAS AN INCARNATION OF JESUS
    AND THE HEBREW WORD FORMED HAS THE SENSE OF PREDESTINED
    IN HIS FINAL AND 30TH INCARNATION TO BRING SALVATION TO ALL HUMANITY
    WHERE THIS INVOLVES REINCARNATION OF HUMANITY TILL SUCH IS ACHIEVED
    A LA THE CHURCH FATHER ORIGIN

    and besides all humans being redeemed
    all demons and such
    what is destroyed is no being
    but the thought forms of beings that prevent them from being redeemed
    until they repent and………….

    revelation 21
    8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur

    8 attitudes perhaps the inverse of 8 beatitudes

    3“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    4Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
    5Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
    6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
    7Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
    8Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
    9Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
    10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    the next blessed is of a different order
    in a way?
    11“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

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